Forum OpenACS Improvement Proposals (TIPs): Re: TIP #8 (Proposed): Modification of default-master.adp structure.

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3: Re: TIP #8 (Proposed): Modification of default-master.adp structure. (response to 1)
Posted by Torben Brosten on 08/24/03 02:13 AM
Another reason to use first-last instead of top-bottom references:

In i18n (an OpenACS project goal), when using UTF-8 or greater, some writing directions are top-to-bottom (vertical rendering) as well as right-to-left and left-to-right. With vertical rendering, the semantics top-bottom inaccurately reflect the page positions (left side, right side). Using first-last or begin-end etc. more accurately describe the template "position" and avoids confusion.

comment: My use of "popular" in the previous message is relative to current Western practices. Chinese is currently the most popular language on the planet. The template labeling could become a major issue if a small segment of the population fluent in Chinese start using OpenACS --a scalable solution for large online communities. Let's prepare for it ahead of time, eh? ;)

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5: Re: TIP #8 (Proposed): Modification of default-master.adp structure. (response to 3)
Posted by Andrei Popov on 08/24/03 11:26 AM
In i18n (an OpenACS project goal), when using UTF-8 or greater, some writing directions are top-to-bottom (vertical rendering) as well as right-to-left and left-to-right. With vertical rendering, the semantics top-bottom inaccurately reflect the page positions (left side, right side). Using first-last or begin-end etc. more accurately describe the template "position" and avoids confusion.

I may be mistaken, but Japanese and Chinese newspapers are still rendered in a more or less similar to western manner, i.e. they look like:

S O M E   H E A D E R S T U F F
--------------------------------
s i o
t n r
o   d
r t e
i t r
e b .
s
--------------------------------

and not

S | s o
O | t r
M | o d
E | r e
  | i r
H | e .
E | s
A |
D | i
E | n
R |
  | t
S | t
T | b
U |
F |
F |