Forum OpenACS Q&A: Project name ...
The demise of aD means that many of my concerns about our name
(confusion with aD ACS version numbering, Java vs. Tcl, all that) has
This means that a simple change like "OpenACS - the Open Architecture
Community System" is viable, perhaps.
What do people think? Can we simplify our life and just forget about
naming issues now?
And in case anyone has any doubts, I am saddened to hear that aD is
coming to an end.
Would the new OpenACS be called OpenACS 4.0 then?
- OpenACS = "open ax"
- OpenACS = "open X"
- OACS = "ox"
- OACS = "oaks"
- OACS = "oasis"
- OACSup = "wassup"
- OACSyurprob = "what's your problem?"
the OCS (Oh-See-Ess. Rolls off the tongue nicely).
I agree in principle with Don's statements about keeping OpenACS (and disheartened at aD's ending and the lay-offs), but I'm not certain of what will become of aD resources. Perhaps one of the new companies may acquire ACS and use it as is?
Also, how will this impact the aduni.org project with it's streaming seminar resources? Will the contract for the year's serving be fulfilled etc?
Plus ... "ACS" does carry at least some recognition and I'm thinking we might as well take advantage now that there's no danger of confusion.
My sources tell me the purchaser will be scrapping ACS Java and since ACS Tcl was previously scrapped I'm assuming that means the ACS goes away in their eyes. I could be wrong. Even if they keep it I'd expect them to rebrand it, but again could be wrong.
I don't know about aduni but that's a good question.
scrap the technology, and lay off the employees. Why bother buying it
at all then?
But alas, this is probably not the right forum for that type of
"We do offer the option of getting all 80 GB of lectures, notes, problem sets, exams and solutions on an actual physical hard drive, if that interests you, for $220 including shipping."
Maybe somebody wants to mirror the content...
I heard that the German aD office is profitable and has around 30 employees. I can't imagine that somebody would want to lay of profitable programmers.
It might not be so important to address the issue right now, since
the name OpenACS has some recognition in the world, as a good toolkit,
and it might not be prudent to rebrand.
There is already the task sometimes of explaining about the Tcl
version, the Java version, acs 3.x, acs 4.x etc etc. So, why invite
more questions with another name change. Like you suggest we can
have a simple change and call it "Open Architecture...".
Nice to be back. cheers.
I picked up a copy of the aD Uni courses and I will be putting it online at http://projects.kinetx.com sometime in the near future (we have a 780KB/sec piece of a T1). Anyone have any suggestions on Linux streaming software so people? Also we are looking at buring individual course on DVD's (about 2 per course) and distributing them at a reasonable cost (cover the cost and a fee to support ADuni efforts).
DVDs would be cool. In addition, i think it would be even more interesting if everyone who is interested in the aD uni material downloads a complete copy from you, and sets up morpheus on their machine.
Morpheus is an interesting P2P client because it does shotgun file transfers -- so a person can draw the material from multiple simulateneous hosts. If enough people mirror the content with morpheus, downloads will be quick, even if the individual hosts only have DSL lines. And you'll save on bandwidth costs.
This would be perhaps the only legitimate use yet devised for morpheus
Of course, this only works if the buying company is really not interested in, and ignores, the Arsdigita brand.
take a look at http://www.akopia.com , which was an ecommerce package that was bought by a certain linux company.
The brand name died, but the acquirerer kept the domain & just redirects to their site. So.. even though the Akopia name isn't being used, you can't really name another product Akopia without generating confusion.
Would it be work to do something like qmail.org does ? Create a central mirrors site that points to other mirrors sites to it?
http://www.aduni.org/FAQ/Morpheus is a proprietary Windows app last I looked, is the something else OpenSource we could use to develop a distrbuted network cuz the idea is great!
At the risk of coming across as being cold-hearted and self-serving ...
Hey, from the sound of things (and I'm VERY far away from the sources), it sound like it's already a done deal.
In many ways this is a good thing for OpenACS, in that another competitor (a high-profile one, at that), looks to be going away. It remains to be seen whether any continuing work would be done on the ACS toolkit. However, based on the rumors, the answer looks to be "no". In that case, there's one fewer actively maintained open source collaboration system. OpenACS is a strong competitor, and it has done well on its own. We'll probably see a pick-up in interest in this project.
AFAIK, Gnucleus, the GPL'd implementation of Gnutella, can also do shotgunning. But i'm not 100% sure.
The capability to shotgun downloads is critical for this type of project, since the bandwidth needs are so huge.
Our local cable internet provider is blocking the ports Morpheus uses. They say it is because of confusion over possible copyright violations, but I heard from a tech it was because 2% of the cable internet subscribers were using 80% of their available bandwidth.
Compare OpenNSD to Apache. Which sounds better to you?
ACS was never a good name, and adding open to it doesn't make it any better.
If we decide to keep it, that's fine. Perhaps that's necessary for historical reasons. But I think if we were to rename it in a way that also ties into the past, we'd be doing ourselves a favor in the long term.
I personally really like "Wassup" :)
Catchy names do have their drawbacks...we should feature that slogan somewhere on our website, shouldn't we?
Seriously, I don't think anyone really likes the name that much, "ACS" isn't the catchiest thing in the world. "OACS" pronounced "Oaks" is actually an improvement IMO.
We could remain the "OpenACS" project (since openacs.org is somewhat known these days) with the "OACS 4.2" release ...
Great? Nope (or do I mean Zope?) Tolerable? I don't know, you tell me!
As I said last night (I think it was me, but maybe it was the beer) this whole naming issue's been a bit of a thorn in my side all along.
I'd like to put it to rest now that aD has been put to rest.
But I'm going to start calling it "oaks". I never really liked that very much either, but it is memorable, it is better, and it makes some sense.
So hello Open Architecture Community System users! Sounds like most of us missed a good party last night!
With that kind of pressure I probably would've seen results! Or a mob of sullen, sober, pissed-off OpenACS hackers :)
Don't even scare us like that!
Argh, will someone choose before I go crazy?! Okay, I always start by what .com or .org is available. Here is a new list having nothing to do with current suggestions:
- Sesamus (.com .org) -- I was thinking of (open) sesame, but less me, more us.
- Sarmong (.com .org) -- ancient esoteric brotherhood.
- Simplime (.org) -- Simp limb e ??
- Simpleme (.org) -- Simple me
- Simplemus (.com .org) us not me.
- Simplema and Simplemma (.com .org) one short other mathematical.
- Archtemus (.com .org) Has architecture root and team and us, well:
- Archteamus (.com .org) the Architecture will make a Team out of Us. Sounds ancient. rhymes with A-C-S.
Architecture Community System, Open AOLServer Community
System, Open After Christmas, Silly, or whatever.