Forum OpenACS Q&A: RedHat to BUY GreatBridge (postgreSQL) ???

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1: RedHat to BUY GreatBridge (postgreSQL) ???
Posted by Charlie Black on 06/20/01 07:45 PM
RedHat plans to announce its own database product next monday(6/24). Since RedHat and GreatBridge share common early investors, this begs the question posed in the title. See story on yahoo. http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/cn/20010619/tc/red_hat_to_play_in_oracle_ s_arena_1.html
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2: Response to RedHat to BUY GreatBridge (postgreSQL) ??? (response to 1)
Posted by Talli Somekh on 06/20/01 08:42 PM
It would *definitely* be cool if their using PG. Give the DB a big boost in the name recognition department.

talli

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3: Response to RedHat to BUY GreatBridge (postgreSQL) ??? (response to 1)
Posted by Jonathan Ellis on 06/21/01 12:44 AM
at least one person on pgsql-general says he's had it "confirmed" to him that it will be postgresql.
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5: Response to RedHat to BUY GreatBridge (postgreSQL) ??? (response to 1)
Posted by David Kuczek on 06/23/01 11:30 AM
Another article that was referred to from the PG-Hackers-List.

http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-6354466.html

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6: Response to RedHat to BUY GreatBridge (postgreSQL) ??? (response to 1)
Posted by David Kuczek on 06/25/01 05:24 PM
Red Hat Expands Open Source Portfolio with Introduction of Red Hat Database:

http://www.redhat.com/about/presscenter/2001/press_database.html

I am really curious about how this idea will work out...

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7: Response to RedHat to BUY GreatBridge (postgreSQL) ??? (response to 1)
Posted by Janine Ohmer on 06/25/01 06:01 PM
I am curious as well.  Although the headline says "Red Hat
Expands Open Source Portfolio", this product is apparently not
available for free download.  In fact the press release doesn't
even say that source is included, though that might be an
oversight on the part of a marketing dept that Doesn't Get It.

I will be a bit surprised if this product succeeds.  In my
experience, companies large enough to have an IT department
that insists on using supported software will want to use Oracle
for the "no-one ever got fired for recommending this" factor.  And
those who get Open Source will be put off by the lack of a free
(unsupported) download. Though I'm sure it's quite legal;
Postgres is not GPL'd, and the UC Regents (who hold the
copyright) can approve this sort of thing if they want to.

I did find it amusing that the press release does not contain a
link to http://www.postgresql.org - guess they don't want people
to know you can get it for free over there! :)

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8: Response to RedHat to BUY GreatBridge (postgreSQL) ??? (response to 1)
Posted by David Kuczek on 06/26/01 12:50 PM
Red Hat's database move mirrors Microsoft...

http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-6375380.html?tag=mn_
hd

This story seems to be liked by the press. This time they posted
a link to Postgresql.org.

It wouldn't be too clever to not have a free download of Red Hat
DB. I am sure they will put one up as soon as they are done with
the maketing hype.

Does anyone know about the licence modell of RHDB?

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9: Response to RedHat to BUY GreatBridge (postgreSQL) ??? (response to 1)
Posted by Michael Feldstein on 06/27/01 04:29 AM
Has RedHat ever released a piece of software that they did not
make available for free download before? They don't strike me
as being that stupid, but what do I know.
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10: Response to RedHat to BUY GreatBridge (postgreSQL) ??? (response to 1)
Posted by Janine Ohmer on 06/27/01 04:46 AM
I don't think their "Enterprise" version (of 6.2, I believe), which
was tuned for Oracle, was available for free download.  I'm not
positive, but that was my impression at the time.

This does seem to be an extraordinarily stupid thing for RedHat
to be doing.  Not only are they (apparently) trying to pretend that
Postgres is their proprietary database, but they have officially
distanced themselves from Oracle, allowing Suse to become the
certified Linux platform for 9i.  Although I can fully understand not
wanting to have to deal with Larry Ellison :), this strikes me as A
Bad Idea if they want to be taken seriously by Corporate America.

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11: Response to RedHat to BUY GreatBridge (postgreSQL) ??? (response to 1)
Posted by Adam Farkas on 06/27/01 04:54 AM
I cleared the "enterprise" issue up with some Red Hat folk --

Essentially, you _could_ get every piece that made up the enterprise edition, free for the downloading.

But you'd have to go through a great deal of pain to download all the pieces and set it up properly. And even then, you wouldn't get their "enhanced" support level. Whatever that entailed...

I have no idea what happened between them & Oracle. But clearly the relationship is ice cold.

I'm not sure what they are doing with this new DB play. It looks like GreatBridge rebuffed their advance, which obviously put a kink in their strategy. Perhaps even _they_ haven't fully sorted out how this will work.

I cannot believe they'd do anything as silly as put out a "proprietary" package. But.... I've been wrong before.