Forum .LRN Q&A: Re: Edit vs Rename vs Properties

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Posted by Matthias Melcher on
Alfred,

where are your changes documented? We cannot expect 206 translators to do CVS diff checking against the message catalogs in order to keep track of their own terminological consistency.

It is great that the fact is now being recognized that "translating sloppy hacker speak" can significantly improve overall usability by discovering bad English original wording. But they must not be withdrwan just like a carpet from under the translators' feet.
(My two Eurocents in bad English).

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Posted by Alfred Werner on
Just to clarify / amplify - I think there is a general lack of  consistency in how we use jargon in the system. In addition to the 'team player' reason given above, I think a large number of terms will disappear once we create the 'common' terms in the acs-kernel and perhaps modify the keys slightly to take advantage. A lot of the terminology in the system was designed to feel colloquial/laid-back/non-stuffy which unfortunately doesn't translate well.

I'm working in Russian and Japanese to make sure I get a fairly broad perspective grammatically before making recommendations. There will always be challenging phrases - a good example in Russian is that some number of nouns change their ending based on the LAST DIGIT of the preceding number, so 1 year, 21 year, 1001 year, nnn[234] year-a, and
a new noun entirely (lyet) if the last digit is 5-9 (well 5 to zero technically). The trick in these cases is to invert word order to avoid such nuisances.

So in other words, what I hope to do is just keep good notes as I go through an entire language - maybe two, so when it's time to redo the english keys and create the common key structure in the acs-kernel, I'll actually know what I'm talking about. I'm hoping that other translators do the same so when it's time to caucus about how to fix the system we have a good dialog. I've been posting my basic thoughts (like ITEM is a vague term) in the forums because it's better than just letting it sit on a scrap of paper here.

In the meantime, I'm being careful but not fussy about what I translate. I think every one of us who takes on a language will have to go back and make all the phrasing consistent after a first pass anyway.

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8: Merging message keys (response to 7)
Posted by Anja Wicht on
(This is a bit out of context, but I didn't want to open an extra thread):

This refers to Alfred Werner's suggestion 'Four messages to merge?' in the Bugtracker: https://openacs.org/bugtracker/openacs/bug?bug_number=973

Please be very careful about this. It might make sense - or not. You can only find this out if you know the precise context of the phrase in the UI (and comparable other phrases... e.g. Is it a heading? How are other headings structured? etc.). Simply searching for redundant messages in the listings and merging them is dangerous.
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9: Re: Merging message keys (response to 8)
Posted by Alfred Werner on
Agreed - but I'm not on dotLRN - just asking someone who does use it to make that decision for me.