Forum OpenACS Q&A: Re: Any comment from the community?

I am glad you think that OACS is the project of the century. If you check other things I have written, you will find other articles besides this about OACS.

You are right I have been around since the beginning, I have put my money where my mouth is. I have donated a crap load of things whether they were accepted or not.

To be honest with you I don't really give a crap about OACS anymore, it is basically dotlrn at this point. That is fine, just don't pretend it is something else.

xowiki is a great addition to the core and is still being fought by several members of the community who think that OACS is their project. What about this great new templating scheme that broke sites on 5.3 upgrades with no warning?> Oh wait it only works on dotlrn.

The bottom line is OACS is irrelevant in the real world. Barring a few universities, it is a non-issue. I tried to get dotlrn into UNLV, too buggy and too complicated.

The rest of the community is free to flame me, certain members will anyway, but it still won't change the situation.

I wrote that article to hopefully point out some LONG standing issues and directions. If you took it as something else, oh well, your problem.

xowiki is a great addition to the core and is still being fought by several members of the community who think that OACS is their project.

And his shit is BSD, rather than GPL.

Now, recently, Gustaf has been encouraged to support Oracle

(Jon: read ... MONEY)

So we may adopt it. Though the BSD issue is important.

If you care enough to trash us in public, why don't you drop into the openacs channel in IRC to trash us in a private scenario which is logged for the public?

What about this great new templating scheme that broke sites on 5.3 upgrades with no warning?> Oh wait it only works on dotlrn.

There was warning.

You are just too fucking stupid to realize thae if you want to be part of the community, you must be part of it.

OCT mtgs - OPEN TO EVERYONE, EVEN THE FUCKING IGNORANT LIKE JON GRIFFIN - every Wednesday, 1600 GMT.

.LRN leadership meeting, Tuesday, same hour.

Come bitch and tell us YOUR vision of where the toolkit should go, and tell us how much time you have to do it, or how much money you have to see various things implemented.

To come bitch afterwards, after IGNORING PLEAS TO TEST PRE-RElEASE VERIONS, well ...

You are acting like a parasite, not a contributor.

What are you, as parasite, contributing that contributors ($$$) should value?

You haven't contributed to the project in YEARS. You're saying ... "y'all are interfering with my ability to be a parasite!"

PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFT!

Oh, Jon, you fucking ignorant piece of shit...

About Jon's statement that OpenACS is "basically dotlrn". No wonder that he gets the impression when an "openacs release" is just the kernel and the first time, improved packages come out is essentially the dotrln release (i remember a statement of Ben Koot in the same regards). This is not your fault, Don, but we have currently nobody but the dotlrn team to care and maintain the most important openacs packages used in plain oacs installations (except the stuff starting with xo*).

Jon, it is in the interest of the dotrln consortium to get rid of the dotrln-specific modules and make dotlrn an ordinary openacs package. This is not an easy task and it will still take some time until we can show results in this regard. But there is will, which is a good start...