Forum .LRN Q&A: Good practices in elearning?

Hello All,
after some thinking, I would like to share some ideas:

First, to mention a message from Rafael Calvo:
"I would like to have the  dotLRN consortium discussion not only be  a support group for a project development project but also  for good practices in elearning.
One of the great things of open source are the communities built around the projects. If we could repeat that into  the teaching and Learning  world , building a community of people who share experiences and resources on the use of ICT in education, it would be a first in the world.
WebCT and blackboard are building strong advocates but I think they have little in the sense of  'communities of practice'.
The fact that the underlaying software we use is open source would be a perfect match.

The community could:
- share benchmarking exercises.
- share materials for training academics
- share learning objects (?)
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Well, from a previous post:
http://dotlrn.org/dotlrn/clubs/lrnmarketing/forums/message-view?message%5fid=52051
E-LANE, as project is going in the same direction in several of its efforts, in short this is it:

We have what I call the "E-LANE Framework", which consist on:
1. .LRN + extras/enhancements that progresively will go into the official distribution
2. Course methodology (how to use the best from technology  into an e-learning experience)
3. Content Developement (Courses are being developed and a suggested general methodology to do it)
4. Demonstrators, which basically will use #1,2&3 in real scenarios, then from those experiences, we'll document them and create articles, use cases, etc.

We expect to disseminate our experiences in several places (including the organization of workshops or small seminars), in order to assure the future sustainability of our efforts creating a broader adoption of our framework.

This is a unique opportunity to join efforts all of us in the same direction, while creating the first place where you can learn about the whole e-learning experience. From that perspective, we have a very big advantage among other initiatives, but the time-frame is short.

As in open source, is more about having a place to openly / freely share the experiences (through a simple forums like this one, I suggest on dotlrn.org), while the .LRN consortium drives the real needs of the users (that suggest the UAB) to the toolkit.

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Posted by Bruce Spear on
Thanks for the invitation, Rocael! How, practically speaking, are you writing this up?

I think there are at least two models on the table. One strategy, as you see on the Moodle Documentation Project would start with "a large number of small, specific task-based HowTos, and then tie these together with a small number of higher-level walkthroughs." I like this because it basically flows out of my experience where, having explained all this nifty functionality, the instructors say: "that's very nice, but what can you do with it?" It also reminds me of my friends teaching in the public shools spending their evenings assembling lesson plans, and when teaching the little ones, this involves lots of pictures, construction paper, and organized learning activities -- the feeling I get when visiting classrooms in grades 1-6 and organized, more or less, like Santa's Workshop. But not all my colleagues prepare for class this way, or see themselves in the business of structuring learning activities in any sort of precise way other than assigning classroom presentations, paper topics, and research projects.

They do offer a fine-grained approach, but in the form of the seminar, and the way to capture this, I think, is best done following the case study approach, (compare the classrooms that work model) whereby you send researchers into the classrooms of master teachers and have them write up what they see, what the instructors tell them they are doing and, and what the students have to say about it.

I've got a bunch of students for a semester working on this latter model, and I'm hoping to be able to post some of our results soon. How are you organizing yourselves?

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Posted by Dave Bauer on
I think this article I just posted a link to is relevant to this discussion.

https://openacs.org/forums/message-view?message_id=214012

It discusses the next level of progress past just posting course materials online.

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Posted by Rafael Calvo on
Hi
I have been preparing a survey that I expect to run through all the known dotLRN users in a the next week or so.

The survey aims at finding out what University policies are behind each eLearning innitiative. I think that knowing more about how we run our projects will help us improve their quality and get more people to collaborate on issues that are not software development.

I created a 'dotLRN users' community and was planning to move this discussion there. I am hoping to start getting non-techie people into those forums so we can start building support groups for academics developing courses or just teaching with dotLRN. What does peope think?

I don't think dotRLN.org is very much used and I think that it could be a good distinction to have software development/webmaster issues here and course development/teaching/university policy there.
Except for a few my guess is that people interested in one is not interested in the other.

cheers

Rafael

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Posted by Bruce Spear on
Interesting observation, Rafael!  How about the difference between those who use lms systems because the university makes them and those who want to do so for their own (whatever) reasons?  B
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Posted by Rocael Hernández Rizzardini on
Well, thanks for your replies, I'm not at the moment collecting all these stuff, rather than just wanting to initiate an space for discussing related topics of e-learning  that are not technical at all. Therefore I'm for having this kind of discussions in dotlrn.org, now we have a consortium, we have the dotlrn momentum increasing, we need this sort of space and a way to encourage the people to participate.

The first step should be to create an open forum in dotlrn.org, to talk about e-learning best practices or something like that, and maybe another forum in dotlrn.org for general questions. And of course, redirect technical questions to the .LRN Q&A at openacs.org. I think the consortium will be happy with this, isn't it? ;o)

Hey Dave, that document is quite nice.
We already have many of the desired features (probably not in the standard .LRN distribution, which is a shame, but we'll progressively add new features/pkgs to .LRN distro).

For the digital library, the plan of e-lane is to integrate COP to .LRN (Telefonica I+D will do the work, starting around feb05 after they finish the user-tracking package, which btw will be commited soon), and also add a robust searching engine (LUCENE). Though this is also supported with LORS (course import & export?).

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Posted by Rafael Calvo on
Bruce

Sorry, I don't understand your point.

Rafael

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Posted by Bruce Spear on
Rafael:

I'm sorry, my reply was not well formed. Let me try again.

I've got basically two groups of users: those who turn to the technology because they are interested in developing student learning and those who are responding to one or another university policy.

I am finding much more success among faculty who turn to e-learning because they are interested in improving student learning, and specifically, structuring communication and learning outside the classroom. Learner-oriented instructors keep their eye on the ball, so to speak, and figure out how to achieve the greatest benefit at the lowest cost.

Instructor-oriented faculty have a much harder time of it because they are not so clear on student learning outcomes. They can put some texts and syllabi online, but the questions they pose on surveys, and problems they might address through forums, fall flat because, in my view, they are not conceived with the learning problem fully in mind.

And I would add that, without exploiting the platform's communications functions, they are asking of Dotlrn that it be little more than a very limited bulletin board and library reserve desk for information that can be delivered better by other means. First, you don't need an elaborate registration and permissions structure to post basic information. For this reason, I am advising my users to develop their flat-file websites in parallel with their Dotlrn site, and I have them use MIT's OCW project as a model. Second, for students without DSL and fast printers and cheap printer supplies, buying a reader at the copy shop is far more preferable than downloading large files and long texts.

Exploiting communications functions close-in means developing participation on forums and in working groups on a weekly, bi-weekly, or more frequent basis and doing so in close associate with the instructor and seminar and at the detailed level of problem-solving or discussion of specific class assignments. The instructors are responsible for this in a far more profound way than the administration, and apart from making some sort of LMS system available, in my view, administration's role in all this is quite limited. In Heidelberg last spring, Cesar gave us a powerful statistic: 80% of university administration's have purchased LMS systems, but only 20% of their faculty have chosen to use them.

I have witnessed enormous amounts of money distributed to encourage LMS use and all too often there is little to show for it. I have also witnessed (and believe contributed with my Dotlrn project), to significant outcomes (I think) for comparatively little expenditure (no question of that!).

My strategy is to support the early adopters, and in turn, their immediate colleagues who, when they catch on to success, want some for themselves. The early adopters speak the language of their colleagues, share local/immediately relevant solutions, and offer a far more accessible "customer service" or "help desk" than any bureacratic arrangement I might devise.

So, while I am in the business now of offering advice to administration on LMS policy, I think the real contest for the "hearts and minds" of the faculty is best considered on the level of faculty cohorts, or at the most, the department level when led by learner-oriented faculty. To be sure, I am part of a larger marketing enterprise. By preparing and distributing successful case studies and keeping the door open to anyone who might walk in I might reach others, but comparatively few of my best clients arrive this way. Those that arrive due to an administrative initiative arrive with far higher and often unrealistic expectations, and they have been the first to drop the business when the extra funding fails to materialize.

I have spoken admiringly of Moodle because the package is very user-friendly, lots of people learn how to use it quickly and easily, and while it may not do all sorts of powerful things that interest application designers and university administrators, it addresses many of the most basic, and most importantly, most RELEVANT needs of many instructors.

As it happens, my first response to visiting the new MIT site Andrew has kindly set up for us to explore my first impression was that Dotlrn had finally achieved an interface design as wonderfully colorful and inviting as Moodle, and at the same time, with this present discussion of user needs, that we might develop here a similar sort of user community. Hence, I would suggest that we not move this discussion away from this Dotlrn Q & A, but instead, build a conversation for and among users right here in the middle of the developer community. To illustrate how this might work, I’ll now start a new thread on a forum enhancement I’d like to see and do so as an instructor reaching out to the developers.

I also wonder how this extended comment might contribute to yours!

All the best,

Bruce

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Posted by Malte Sussdorff on
Rafael, how is the survey of yours comming along? Is it still possible to give you feedback on this?