Forum OpenACS Development: Suggesion: Weekly OpenACS Chat
I'd like to suggest a weekly OpenACS chat at the OpenACS channel. A weekly chat could help the community become more efficient. While several community members already hang out at the OpenACS channel it always remains to be seen who is there at a given point in time.
The forums are great for questions, announcements, new developments, etc but lack when it comes to making decissions. The development of the OpenACS site and the next release for example could benefit from a weekly get together. The weekly chat appears to work well for the AOLserver community in this respect.
A quick preliminary chat at the OpenACS channel indicates that Thursdays at 20 GMT = 3 PM EST = NOON PST = early morning in Australia would be a good time for most. This time allows Europeans, Americans and Australians to attend. Neither does it conflict with the AOLserver chat of an hour earlier.
One can reach the OpenACS channel at irc://irc.freenode.net/#openacs. Mozilla users (with a complete install) can simply follow this link. Others open their favorite IRC client and connect to the irc.freenode.net server. Then join the #openacs channel.
BTW I know some have been squeamish about logging the #openacs channel, but couldn't we restart that and put the chat logs on the openacs server so only registered users could get at them? I found the resource invaluable.
At the very least we should log the weekly chats.
It's a good idea to set the topics and the agenda in advance. A thread started on the boards a day or two in advance should suffice.
I propose the following agenda:
- 'To log or not to log', Should the #openacs IRC channel be logged?
- And if so, all the time or only during weekly chats?
- Where/how should the logs be published?
- Status inventory of:
- OpenACS, the toolkit (4.6 has just been released, now what?)
- OpenACS, the web site
- dotLRN, where do we stand.
- dotWRK maybe?
This should give us more than enough to talk about and the agenda of a subsequent chat could follow from the outcome of our discussion.
Suggestions for additional topics are welcome.
Paging resident ACT member, Tom Jackson...
To get a feel for whether this will be a problem you can sift through the AOLServer chat logs http://empoweringminds.mle.ie/openacs/chatlog/one-conversation?id=47 to see how active they still are at 20:00.
Secondly we do discuss certain business and personnel issues which aren't appropriate for community exposure. Issues regarding employees of Sloan or other entities that by all rights should be private. Likewise at times business issues may raise their messy head. In part this isn't so much due to the TAB stuff but rather that we're already chatting so we find it convenient to discuss stuff privately.
Which is why the general OpenACS channel is no longer logged by default, as I understand it. Right?
I just don't think it's appropriate to publicize information given by, say, Lars Pind on Collaboraid's funding status with the University of Heidelberg. If Lars wants to make details public, he's free to publish them on his own but I don't think our TAB discussions should be set up as a default public disclosure forum for all private business matters related to dotLRN.
I personally trust Jeff to expose in summary form everything that is of importance to the community that doesn't expose individuals or organizations to public embarassment or ridicule.
And we are planning to publish them in an obvious place, to be announced before too long (a week or two, not sure how long Jeff will take to summarize current stuff and for us to decide just where to dump the summaries).
Concerning the prominent space for TAB records. It would be cool if you could post them to the forum, maybe with a [TAB <date>]: <topic> in the subject. This way other people would have an easy chance to comment on and continue your discussions afterwards.
I tried to access a number of times. The link apears to be dead, at least on my end.
Any thougts on how to get on board? I am using http://www.ceruleanstudios.com/trillian/index.html as IM client. Personally I think it would be more effetivve to create an interface between OpenACS an Trillian, as the would allow us to, "talk" to Yahoo, MSN, AOL and ICQ . Jabber won't give this fucntionality!!
What you are trying to achieve is what I have set up with the (crapy) deault Openacs 3.25.chat. Why not use our own system. I realize nobody likes it, but it realy works. It's not perfect, but that's what Malte has solved with his jabber application. (I mean if you are looking for a more sophisticated solution) I would advise to give this a try for internal communication with OpenACS hackers over the IRC soluttion!!!
During office hours I am in constant communciation with 25 Dutch secrataries around the country, have no problems with firewalls and no one complains about downloading software (their system administrators won't allow). There are a few minor details that could greatly enhance functionality however.
The secretaries share files, the latest gossip, pictures and everyting else Open ACS allows. It would help to have a postgres port of the chat into 4.6, so if anybody is working on that I would like to hear. That would allow me to dump OpenACS 3.25.
It won't work with other browsers unless you do some fiddling. Don't even know if it's possible with IE.
Regarding Trillian, read bugtraq. But if you want to insist on using it, then it can talk to IRC servers. Just go into your accounts and tell it to connect to irc.freenode.net as the server. And then join #openacs.
There's a link for IRC beginners at the openacs irc page.
On the integration issue, OpenACS is a server-side solution for web applications. Trillian is a client for multiple instant messaging protocols, and IRC. The AOLserver+Jabber integration was possible because Jabber also has a server. Not so with trillian.
(direct link - doesn't work with all browsers)
Instead of removing it. In those cases when the link works it's an enormous time saver.
Links to IRC.org to find a suitable IRC client and a short IRC primer at IRChelp.org are provided.
Ben, you'll find the same instructions at the top of this thread as well as http://openacs.org/irc/. Hope to see you at #openacs soon.